BANANA MAN RETURNS

[Casey Turner]

Let me start out by by issuing the two of you a big Congratulations! The both of you played very strong games and have earned the spots you are sitting in. But that does not mean you are gonna like what I have to say. I may be friends with you but I have a jury role to fulfill, so without further adieu, lets get this show on the road.


Jessie

In many ways I think you played a very strong game. You were perceptive, self-aware, strong and driven. But given who you are sitting beside, I find your game a bit... lacking. Despite being both a force in challenges and a strategic threat, I think your social game was kind of weak. Sure the social game isn’t the be all and end all, but you are sitting beside someone who was just as competitive and strategic and DID bring the social game (I think you, me, Amy and Enzo all had her as #1 at some point). Its weird, I played this game on good terms with you the whole way through, but I leave feeling I barely got to know you.

I want you to prove me wrong. If your social game was up to snuff, then I would think you would know at least 4 details about most of the jurors that are not related to game (real name, age, job, hobbies, etc.). If you can't do it, then explain just explain to me why your social game was good, and who you were close to.


Kristen,

You were easily the person I got the closest to throughout this ORG. I also hold the opinion that you played the best game out of everyone. But despite having a great relationship with you in the game, I find myself leaving with a sour taste in my mouth.

I gave you 100% of myself in this game without question. I was honest with you, had your back completely, and when you were on the block beside me I didn’t even campaign against you. I doubt I could have changed things if I wanted to, but if it had came down to it I would have fallen on my sword for you (as it was, you were outplaying me and my ass was out the door anyways).

So I guess what I don’t really like about the situation is that while I was being completely honest with you… you had a final 2 with Jessie the whole time. I mean, I get that you had to lie to me about it for the majority of the game (kind of...). But what I really don’t get, is why you continued to lead me on when I am on my way out the door. What was the point? Did you want some big shock at the end of the game? There was no way I would have said anything to anyone and I think you knew that at the time. And given your relationships with Jessie, Hayden and Amy it must have been amazingly clear that you that I was going, so why did you act like you thought you might be evicted?

It kind of astounds me how blind I was to the fact that I was getting played. That’s probably not how you see it but no matter how you slice it, my #1 was you and your #1 was Jessie. This is the first time I have ever given my closest ally 100% honesty and loyalty and received anything less in return, much less find out that I am just a parachute to their main alliance.

Well... thats all I really have to say, I don’t really have a specific question for you. Respond to this however you want.


Both of You:

1. So I know this is overdone... but please rank the players in this game (including yourselves) from best to worst in terms of gameplay, and list the mistake you think each person made that lead to their downfall. You do not need to list your own mistakes, because the two of you made the final 2 so they are irrelevant.

2. If you were casting BB6 Recycled The Movie, who would you cast to act out each of our roles (pics appreciated but not required)?

[Jessie Godderz]

I want you to prove me wrong. If your social game was up to snuff, then I would think you would know at least 4 details about most of the jurors that are not related to game (real name, age, job, hobbies, etc.). If you can't do it, then explain just explain to me why your social game was good, and who you were close to.

Hmm, let me try to remember things. I think, you are in your 20s, are, or at least were a student, I believe you are gay if I remember correctly. I think you are canadian, or live near at least, but really, I might be mistaken. I thought...you were a waiter at some point...and might even have had another job on the side, or did...hmm... Really, I don't know too much more beyond that kinda general stuff about people, because we didn't share that kind of info between us that often. I remember Mike is a high school student, Boogie I think a teacher...hmm, I'll be honest, I'm not quite sure though.

Really, for me, I don't think people knew the same thing about me, and I don't think that is really highly congruent with the game, or things of relation to it, but that's just me. I know I know Kristen pretty well, on a personal level, and I didn't make that bond with too many people, were I know a lot about there personal life, or stuff like that in this game, and I know and admit that, but I don't think that neccesarily means something too large. If it were, I don't think I would have made it to the end of the game, and I don't think people would have kept me safe over people who's occupation they knew, or who's age they were able to suss out better.

I certainly would be fine getting to know whoever outside of the game better, and it would have been cool to really get to know some people within it better, but in terms of the game, that's not a social game to me. The social game for me is the politics, keeping yourself safe, getting people who are threats to you out, making as many or as few allies as is possible, weaving within and outside of circles, and ultimately, making sure you do, or making sure you have others do exactly what is neccesary to bring you to the end of all the people in the game.

If friendship, and gathering information is a social game, then I think that's a little sad, lol, and I'm not going to feign a friendship for the sake of a game, but if one develops, that's excellent, but I also don't feel I need to know someones profile info for that to be possible either, cause like you said, I think we got along pretty well, and we didn't have that information regarding each other, and I'm sure we would have had more fun times, and maybe closeness had you not gone onto the jury, and gamewise, I never feel awesome about continuously keeping contact with jurors for the sake of the game.

Anyway though, all that aside, if to you a social game merits just that info gathering, and being close to everyone, then definitely Kristen deserves your vote. I do admit that is a portion of it, but I also think there is much more than that, and that sometimes getting and figuring out information about what players are doing in the game, and influencing that through one or so people is perhaps a more tricky social game, that does have some worth in its own right. Personally, Kristens game was much more interesting, and as a juror that she had touched and convinced I was extremely important to her, I would find it tough to vote the other guy too, so I do totally get how people feel.

I'm rambling a bit now, but yes, that's pretty much me saying my peace on that matter.

1. So I know this is overdone... but please rank the players in this game (including yourselves) from best to worst in terms of gameplay, and list the mistake you think each person made that lead to their downfall. You do not need to list your own mistakes, because the two of you made the final 2 so they are irrelevant.

1. Jessie
2. Kristen
3. Enzo- Enzo didn't really make any strong mistakes. Maybe he could have somehow tried to act like he had no clue I wanted him out, and act like he still wanted Amy out, but...really, that wouldn't have been helpful since I knew who my final 3 was. He would have had my vote against anyone easily if I was a juror, besides Kristen who he'd be battling it out with quite evenly.

4. Amy- Amy probably would have benefitted from evicting Enzo, and fighting even harder (if possible) for competitions, and trying to get Hayden to win somehow. I think her best shot at actually WINNING this game, not getting to the end, but WINNING this game, was to find a way to bring Hayden to the end. That's just my opinion though.

5. Casey- You probably shouldn't have been so verbal to Kristen with how closely you were working with Enzo. We pieced together, that we knew you would never go after her, but you talking to him so much, and possibly not caring if he was after me, or not seeming to give me as much info as him, made you perhaps a little too social with others, and possibly, down the line, could influence you to have Enzo target me earlier than he did, and it also just put the nip out on you since you were strong, and might evict me much later down the line.

6. Boogie- Boogie I think made the mistake of being in an alliance with two people, and not having a solid final 2 with either of them he could rely on soon enough. When you go into a final 3 deal, you really need to make that step sooner or later, or even make the final 2, then pull someone in (which me and Kristen). If you don't do this, the people within the alliance, when feeling safe enough, could just get you out at any point if you are one of the stronger people, and there is even a slight fear you COULD take the other person in the threesome (I knew you might take Kristen). At that point, I knew I wanted to try to get further with another final 3, and surround myself with people who weren't as strong challenge-wise, as me and Kristen. For me, had you tried to solidify that final 2 with one of us two, you either would have had it locked (had we been breakable), OR you would have realized sooner rather than later that there was something you had to deal with THEN.

7. Alison- I think Alison was a person who had to make more powerful allies. She definitely was social, and definitely made good relationships, but the people who I saw her talking with the most either had way too many relationships, and didn't care about her (Kristen), or never whom never won, and thus didn't give her much strings to pull to make them actually do something major (Amy and Boogie). Had she made better ally choices, or stronger moves with stronger people, I definitely think she could have done better, but her close deals with people who didn't have much power, and then not struggling harder to gain it herself, meant her great potential was wasted a bit.

8. Mike D.- You definitely had to be less quiet in this game. Your quiet behaviour made people feel you were innactive, and not fully into the game, and made you an easy "let's just put him up", go to. Your auction play, with the safety, was actually really smart though, and that bumped you up the list, cause that little one surprised me.

9. Hayden- Hayden, I think is a case, where gosh darn it, had he gotten a win, he could have really arranged things differently. So not winning (which is a lame one), but was probably his biggest mistake. He made it far, but he really just needed a win I think to move up this list, and have his moment where he could put some hits out on the right people, and make closer bonds than he had.

2. If you were casting BB6 Recycled The Movie, who would you cast to act out each of our roles (pics appreciated but not required)?

Mike D.-



Channing Tatum, seems like a strong looking dude, who, when knowing it's appropriate (such as a house environment), would know how to tone it down, and not be loud or aggressive.

Casey-



Neil Patrick Harris, because he seems like a fun guy, who would be cool to just chill with, and talk to. He comes off as someone who can play a smart person, with a lot of inner will. He seems quirky and funny too, so it seems like a good combo of traits.

Alison-



I'll cast Jennifer Aniston as Alison. She's hot, she's blond, she's got spunk, and she also just seems like that chick next door your can kick it back with too. I'd love to have her in my movie as Alison.

Boogie-



For whatever reason, Boogie always came off to me as an older soul, so I decided to go with a slightly higher-aged actor, in Mr. Clooney. Don't get me wrong though, the dudes still got it. He is charismatic, but also has his very soft spoken moments. He seems an intelligent type, who doesn't neccesarily show it all the time, and he seems from his outside life to be a helpful yet fun guy.

Hayden-



I'll give Hayden Michael Cera. He was a quiet dude, who didn't say too much, but still seemed like the kind of guy who if you gave him the chance, would be pretty darn cruel, even if you didn't think so at first. Soft-spoken, and not exactly the strongest guy around, he definitely will give you at least a laugh or two before he gets off the screen, so I'll pick him for Hayden.

Enzo-



I'll give Enzo Al Pacino. Al Pacino just seems like a good guy for that sneaky guy, who comes off as a little friendly maybe, a little charismatic, but he has a side to him, that damn, you better not mess with him, lol. He's strong, he knows how to get people to do what he wants with just a few words, and he's the kind of connection you want on your good side, and you don't want on your bad side. The Big Brother gangster, Enzo, Al Pacino, I think it works pretty good.

Amy-



Sarah Michelle Gellar seems a good fit for Amy. She's a fighter deep down, but can hide it behind a deceptive smile. She seems like the kind of person who can play a real strong willed girl, and still be appealing to us guys at the same time.

Kristen-



I'll give Kristen Angelina Jolie. Angelina Jolie is a hot girl, who is all over the place. She's very much about bringing people together, undiscriminating, and can play the most badass and strong girl in a move. She's also, in life, and ambassador, and helper, and a supporter. She was this so much for me in this game, and I think her being Angelina makes a lot of sense. Plus, Angelina always pairs with...

Jessie-



I'll put myself as Brad Pitt. I think of Brad Pitt as a good leading role kinda guy, and I know I've stuck around here the longest with my beautiful partner Kristen/Angelina. I find Brad to be a cool guy, who just seems like a fun dude, and doesn't try to be too much more beyond that. He seems smart, good at not turning people off, and whether or not you've worked with him, or talked closely with him, I'm pretty sure you've heard of the guy, lol.

[Casey Turner]

Sorry to add to your workload Kristen, but I gotta add one more question now in light of some of your responses to other threads.

1. If our positions were flipped, and I was in the finals having treated you the exact same way that you treated me (i.e. like a doormat), do you think you would have it in you to vote for me to win in the end? Why or why not?

2. Where do you draw the line between lies that are strategic and lies that are personal? Do you feel like you crossed that line in your interactions with me? Why or why not?

[Casey Turner]

Thank you Jessie. I appreciate the honesty and I'm glad that you answered my (admittedly lackluster) question about your social game the way that you did. You got at the root of what I was trying to ask in a better way than my actual question did.

[Kristen Bitting]

1. If our positions were flipped, and I was in the finals having treated you the exact same way that you treated me (i.e. like a doormat), do you think you would have it in you to vote for me to win in the end? Why or why not?

I would be hurt and angry but I would certainly hope that when I cast my vote I would be able to put that aside and look at the game more objectively and not use it as the only criteria.


2. Where do you draw the line between lies that are strategic and lies that are personal? Do you feel like you crossed that line in your interactions with me? Why or why not?

Yes I got to know about you personally and I consider you a friend outside the game so naturally I feel badly about the way you left but TBH I actually had you pegged as someone that has played these games and made F2 enough to know that you can't please everyone and yes people get hurt. I thought you would be able to see what happened in the game as what it was..part of a game. Maybe I was wrong. Whether I think crossed the line is not really relevant. Its how you feel that matters.

I would ask you to consider how Enzo might have felt betrayed since you befriended him ,gave him your clue cards so he could win the Coup , talked about working closely with him and then went to me and said you were setting it up to have both Enzo and Jessie take each other out. Is that crossing the line or is that just good game ?

I am a bit surprised at how badly you are taking this considering I always saw you as someone that could be objective and appreciate that this was a game where only 2 people make it to the end. In closing all I can say is that I do feel badly for hurting you , and I hope you will eventually get over it and consider me friend one day.

[Kristen Bitting]

Enzo- Is definitely going to be played by a real hunk from Rome of course so I would cast Antonio Sabato jr. Everyone knows Antonio is a big sexy guy but I have it on good authority that he is also very funny, extremely kind, and he comes to the defense of those that he feels are being treated unfairly. He is my numero uno and gets top billing.



Hayden- Brad Pitt. I see Hayden as the more all American guy. The high school prom king with great looks and an endearing personality to match.




Casey-Russell Crowe could play Casey because he is extremely versatile. He has no problem switching to whatever role is required of him whether it be the strong warrior role when he needs to be powerful, or funny and friendly when he is being sociable but the main reason that I chose him is that Russell does not worry about being politically correct and he is never hesitant to speak his mind.





Mike D- Johnny Depp will play the mystery man in my movie of BBR6. He is seriously hot and although he is adored by women everywhere he generally manages to keep papparazzi at bay and as such h has a certain air of mystery about him.





Jessie.- Matt Damon. What movie would be complete without this Hollywood Hottie ? Another serious guy that excels at everything he does and never manages to get himself in any serious trouble.




Boogie-Hugh Grant would be able to portray Boogie's intellectual side well and still be able to get down and have fun. He would definitely fit the bill of Boogie the womanizer and I am sure Alison would approve.




Alison-Cameron Diaz. Who else could play the femme fatale that stole Boogie's heart and wrapped it around her little finger ?
Cameron Diaz is awesome and she would be able to charm the pants of anyone , just like Alison does when she wants to.




Amy- Drew Barrymore. She is the sweet girl next door type that everybody feels comfortable talking to and hanging out with. Definitely someone that could bring Amy's social side to life in the film.




Kristen- I would have taken Jennifer Anniston but she was busy working on Jessie's movie so I am going to settle for Penelope Cruz. She is a strong feisty woman that can hold her own in any situation and she has had to fight, and struggle to get to where she is now ...plus she is awesome sexy .

[Casey Turner]

Thank you Kristen.

[Kristen Bitting]

Dec 13, 2010 18:07:17 GMT -6 Casey Turner said:

Thank you Kristen.

You know that you are more than welcome. After all is said and done I am still crazy about the Banana Man.